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Colbert Christmas Wishes

December 17, 2010

This is a bit of an unorthodox post for American Jesus. Although, I’m not sure what orthodox would be. But I heard Stephen Colbert say this on the Colbert Report last night and thought it was the perfect Christmas reminder for the American Church. It’s too long for Twitter so here it is:

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  1. grey permalink
    January 2, 2011 9:01 pm

    Indeed. “Charity”

    However “Charity” involves money that goes to upkeep and maintenance of their religious club house.

    So how much of that “Charity” has anything to do with helping out the poor?

  2. Joe permalink
    January 2, 2011 9:15 pm

    @Gruff:

    As to Republicans giving more to charities, please see Robert Reich’s “The Work of Nations.” Mr Reich investigated that identical claim made by Bush Sr, that Republicans give more to charities.

    Yes, they give more to charities: overwhelmingly those charities that The Rich patronize: ballet, opera, and museums. Charities for the poor, not so much.

    A good job, food in the stomach, a roof over your head, these are the fundamentals, not opera.

    Doing some research before defending Republicans: really good idea

  3. Joe permalink
    January 2, 2011 9:16 pm

    @Gruff:

    As to Republicans giving more to charities, please see Robert Reich’s “The Work of Nations.” Mr Reich investigated that identical claim made by Bush Sr, that Republicans give more to charities.

    Yes, they give more to charities: overwhelmingly those charities that The Rich patronize: ballet, opera, and museums. Charities for the poor, not so much.

    A good job, food in the stomach, a roof over your head, these are the fundamentals, not opera.

    Doing some research before defending Republicans: really good idea

    • Justin permalink
      January 14, 2011 12:55 pm

      @Joe:

      So you’re against Christians – even the ones who honestly help the poor, and would even go to impoverished countries to do volunteer work – just because of what they believe? You’re saying that the seeming strangeness of their beliefs and the hypocrisy of some automatically negate any good things that are done?

      I certainly hope you don’t take that kind of a prejudiced stance towards other people groups. That’s the kind of bigotry that got us slavery.

      • Joe permalink
        January 14, 2011 8:14 pm

        How typical: a christian is angry when honest observations about christians are made.

        I don’t care what people believe; it is actions that matter to me.

        Scott Lively, a christian, went to Africa to help the poor. His “help” included a campaign against gay people that led to the “kill the gays” bill in Uganda. So where’s the good.

        The head of the catholic church, Ratzinger, went to Africa to help the poor by telling them that using condoms increases their chance of getting HIV. He did this on the continent where HIV infection is largest. Guess I missed the good in that.

        And it is not the hypocrisy of some: large, large numbers of christians are bigots. If you doubt this just consider how christians work against gay people in every way they can, lying and cheating to do it.

        The history of christians is not a pleasant one. You may want to consider that Hitler was wildly popular with German protestants and the Vatican made a treaty with the Nazis in 1933 where the vatican guaranteed that the church would oppose no assault on Jews.

        It is infuriating how when someone exposes christians for what they are–a bunch of rabid animals only happy when inflicting cruelty–that christians claim the victim.

      • Joe permalink
        January 14, 2011 8:15 pm

        Oh, and by the way, slavery is condoned in both the new and old testaments and many, many christians owned, exploited, tortured, and murdered slaves.

  4. jeff-minneapols permalink
    January 3, 2011 2:34 am

    Fairly dubious claim. Please source this. I don’t remember telling anyone I was a socialist when I slid my dollar into the Salvation Army collection.

    • cmb permalink
      January 3, 2011 1:44 pm

      So where did you think your money was going?

  5. The MAN permalink
    January 3, 2011 3:04 pm

    Being a person who works for salvation army I must say that, when you put money into collections it goes to paying me as well as electric and gas bills of those who cant afford to pay theres. I am an officer and they pay all of my bills except my cell phone abd give me a 60k salary.

    • Joe permalink
      January 3, 2011 7:49 pm

      As to the Salvation Army: good to hear they take care of their people. However, giving to a christian charity is not such a good idea.

      I was outraged when I read that the Salvation Army threw away a bunch of Harry Potter and Twilight toys because it violates their idiot religion.

      A large number of people spent money they worked for and a number of POOR children would have been very happy to have a Harry Potter toy. The work of others or the happiness of children doesn’t seem to be a priority for the Salvation Army.

      I give to secular charities. They don’t enforce a primitive religion on the recipients.
      christian = ASSHOLE

    • Robert Smith permalink
      January 4, 2011 7:06 am

      The salary of all charity CEO’s most exceed 1 million. Salvation Army’s CEO $90,000. No chauferred limo like UNESCO CEO either verified by snopes.com.
      Res Ipsa Loquiter as law says “Because you have it (or don’t) speaks for itself.
      God bless the Salvation Army.
      In the old days General Booth of the SA was criticized his band playing religious words to Bowery music Where they played to the poor replied “Why should the Devil have all the best tunes” In Christmas mass singing Black Spirituals instead of Latin oratorios I never knew what exactly all the words meant We’ve come a long way…

      • Joe permalink
        January 4, 2011 9:29 pm

        And how does this excuse the salvation army from destroying good toys that were paid for by hard working people for POOR children who may not get a thing.

        You christians: always asking for special pleading.

      • Robert Smith permalink
        January 4, 2011 10:42 pm

        As My CO in the Hawaiian Infantry Training Center 1954 used to say to similarly some folks written objections “Noted with Interest. Returned without comment”

      • Joe permalink
        January 4, 2011 10:49 pm

        Good to know that you couldn’t answer the question. Typical christian behavior.

      • Daniel permalink
        January 5, 2011 7:51 pm

        Joe:

        You’re such as typical anti-christian a$$hole. Just because one christian organization takes a stupid philosophical stance, you automatically impose that on every christian.

        I’m a christian and I think it was a stupid move to throw away all those toys. Stop stereotyping like an ignorant fool. People like you think you’re so high and mighty because you guys think you have “open-mindedness and common sense” and religious people are just blind.

        A fool is one who thinks he’s no fool.

      • Joe permalink
        January 6, 2011 1:29 pm

        @Daniel:

        A fool is someone who believes that unprovable, unfalsifiable ideas are real.

        Adorable undetectable purple aliens control governments; I know this because they whisper it to my mind.

        This is a logically unverifiable idea; hence, it gets tossed. Substitute the word aliens for god and you still have a logically unverifiable idea: it gets tossed.

        When you christians learn how to live harmoniously with others and keep your idiot religion out of politics and out of the classroom, then I’ll be less tempted to lump you all as a bunch of stupid, anti-intellectual, pro-theocracy assholes.

        Just saying.

  6. jeremy permalink
    January 4, 2011 12:11 pm

    We will always have the poor and needy with us.The solution is not money.Yes,I know money is essential but how many problems has money alone ever solved?The solution lies in your heart.Too many people want to hand out money to ease their conscience so they don’t have to get their hands dirty.Care for people the way Christ cared for us…unconditionally.
    As far as the toys thrown out…I’m freezing,haven’t eaten in two days and live in a cardboard box and you hand me… a Harry Potter toy? Gee thanks! No really,there’s something called prioritizing.Like if you’re short on time or storage or something and you need room for the essentials.Benefit of a doubt maybe? Think about it.
    I can’t help myself from commenting on the somewhat less than complimentary description of a christian.Let me define Christian.First of all it is a being a follower of Christ.It is adhering to his teachings.It is loving and caring for people.And yes,it is primitive.Love has been around for a long,long time.Christ is the very epitome of love.Therefore we must conclude that if a person does not reflect this in his everyday life,they are not Christians.I don’t say so,the Bible does.Going to church every Sunday,giving away money,ect ect, in and of itself does not make anyone a Christian.

    Research on definition of Christian: really,really good idea

    • Joe permalink
      January 4, 2011 10:08 pm

      I have read a lot of bullshit from christians, but yours takes the cake.

      As to what problems have money solves:

      I have a problem; I have nowhere to sleep.
      I got a job. Now I have money. I can pay for an apartment.

      I have a problem; I am hungry.
      I got a job. Now I have money. I can buy some food.

      I have a problem; I would like to improve my my mind.
      I got a job. Now I have money. I can pay for college tuition.

      Now, let’s consider your point of view.

      I have a problem; I have nowhere to sleep.
      I accepted Jesus. But, I still don’t have a place to sleep.

      I have a problem; I have nothing to eat.
      I accepted Jesus. But, I’m still hungry.

      I have a problem; I’d like to improve my mind.
      I accepted Jesus. But, I still can’t afford tuition.

      Money solves problems. In America, it solves most problems. That would be painfully obvious to you if you were out on the streets with nothing to eat.

      Now that there are no jobs, how is someone going to get a job, make money, and survive. Without government assistance, the poor will stay poor. Hope will become a luxury for the well off. And christians will say, it doesn’t matter. Your poverty is not important. Just believe in a non-existant entity and you’ll feel better. Well, except that the believer will still feel the cold of winter and will still feel the cruel bite of hunger.

      As to Harry Potter toys, you wrote:

      As far as the toys thrown out…I’m freezing,haven’t eaten in two days and live in a cardboard box and you hand me… a Harry Potter toy?

      What a straw man. No one who spent their money to improve the holiday for poor children would have thought that a toy alone could solve their problems. Decent people buy toys for children with the hope that a child may have a little happiness on a day when most children are opening presents. It is an act of kindness. But that didn’t matter to the christian salvation army. The money spent by and intentions of good people didn’t matter. The fact that a child may have absolutely nothing on Christmas didn’t matter. What mattered most was preserving christian dogma.

      I am done with christians weaseling out of their bad behavior by stating that “real christians” always do the right thing out of love and by following the bible. Overwhelmingly, southern christians defended slavery with the bible. It wasn’t difficult to do: the bible condones slavery. Overwhelmingly, christians work to keep gays from getting equal civil rights. Furthermore, good American christians are financing and encouraging the “kill the gays bill” in a very christian Uganda. It isn’t difficult for these good people to justify their actions: the bible condones killing gay people. You christians confuse hate for love. It is a hateful act to destroy good toys when little children need something, anything, to cheer them up.

      Learning to think: really good idea.
      Being honest about christian behavior: really really good idea.

  7. bernardo gomez permalink
    January 4, 2011 2:10 pm

    America is the world’s most generous nation. So the question is not about helping the poor. It is about having the government take our money in order for them to decide where it goes. I would rather that I as an individual be able to decide whom I should help.

    • Joe permalink
      January 4, 2011 10:20 pm

      Bernardo,

      I came across this and thought I’d share it:

      On this side of the Atlantic we are constantly amazed by the attitude of some Americans to state provision of services and taxes. There are some myths about the USA being the most generous nation,

      “According to the OECD, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, the US gave between $6 and $15 billion in foreign aid in the period between 1995 and 1999. In absolute terms, Japan gives more than the US, between $9 and $15 billion in the same period. But the absolute figures are less significant than the proportion of gross domestic product (GDP, or national wealth) that a country devotes to foreign aid. On that league table, the US ranks twenty-second of the 22 most developed nations. As former President Jimmy Carter commented: ‘We are the stingiest nation of all’.

      As to to benefits of individual giving verses governmental redistribution:

      When the Depression of the 1930s hit, personal charity did not alleviate the suffering of the poor. It wasn’t until the New Deal was initiated did the desperate poverty begin to recede. However, Roosevelt didn’t realize that massive redistribution was necessary. When the economy picked up, Roosevelt stopped spending, which then led to another slump. Then, he’d spend again. The economy would begin to pick up, and he’d stop spending. The economy would then again slump. This happened, if memory serves, three times in the 30s. Clearly, redistribution was what was necessary.

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